O.K., for anyone who's still working on this game: The order of Kings in my last post is correct. The 8 is correct and necessary. Leave the J in the deck. Play the 10 at the very beginning on the J which is at the bottom of Pile 5. You need to play Clubs up through the 8 before the flip (play backwards to get to it) so that after the flip, the 9, and J play over. The 10 (from below) plays up. Don't cover the 10. Use the 10 to play on. I'm at 85 moves before the flip.

8 first? I think I'm at 86 at the flip

Yes, thanks, Fizz! I have been moving the 2 and 3, and also putting the 9 on the 10 all day long -- for 131. I played the K first, K, K, then the K came down in the third position when it opened up. Is all that wrong? I only get down to 130 now. What else should I be doing or not doing? Any ideas? (I'm at 82 moves before the flip.)

Wasn't paying attention, sorry

Oh I guess that means K first.

Expose the J. I'm not sure if it was clear but I'm moving the 3 and 2.

Is the K still first? I played the K second. Is that wrong? No matter what I do, I keep getting 131. Are you working some kind of magic to bring the 10 down in Round One?

Thanks Fizz, the 10 did it. Ignore my clues re 5 and 3. I reversed which one plays up straight!

Tim B. hope you come back on, but where have you been hiding. It appears you're one of the early registrees to the site and somehow I've only just now seen you. Glad you're back.

Take care donna. Sweet dreams!