I tried your way and got 139, room for refinement another day!!!

I had been doing that but I probably brought down the Q by mistake, I ran it through again and it came up 137. Unfortunately they are once again 2 different paths I don't think there's any hybrid of the two to get lower. I'll leave that for Dilip or someone else for now. At least I figure your way out this time. Back to yard work.

Not moving 5 gives 137!!!

I found 138 your way but I had to use the Q first, so thanks for coming clean.

Fizzbut, I'm taking back what I said early re red Q's, moved Q first and played out Q - sorry, part of my confusing brain - must be and age thing going on!!!

I brought down the J the first time through with the 10, so I could bring done the 9 and 8 the 2nd time through, 7 moves over onto the 8 and then pretty much everything plays up.

Ah well two challenges in one day has got to be good for you!! LOL

As soon as I figure out what you did I'll let you know, but that's always the challenge.

So Fizzbut what did you do differently!!!

By switching I mean I waited for the second 9 to come up in the deck.